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the seating. [inaudible conversations] >> and since that hearing last month lois lerner has been placed on administrative leave with the irs. we're live this morning on capitol hill as the house oversight committee is meeting on whether lois lerner waived her right to remain silent at that hearing a month ago. ms. lerner was in charge of the irs' tax-exempt organizations office. she claimed she had done nothing wrong in regards to irs targeting of conservative groups. the committee this morning will discuss whether that decision to give a statement invalidated ms. lerner's fifth amendment rights which she asserted following the statement. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> and, again, we are live on capitol hill as we await the start of this house oversight committee hearing and vote on whether lois lerner, who waived her right to remain silent at a hearing a ago of the house oversight committee, she was in charge of the irs' tax-exempt organizations office.
. a house committee voting along party lines that lois lerner waived her right to read a statement declaring her innocence before a congressional hearing last month. remember that? now she could be called back to capitol hill at any time. molly henneberg is live in washington with the latest. molly? >> hi, arthel. lois lerner's attorney, william taylor, is pushing back, saying the house oversight committee is a, quote, highly polarized forum and that lawmakers voted along straight party lines. taylor said in a statement, quote, she meaning learner, did not give up her right to refuse to testify by stating her innocence. she had requested that she not be required to appear at all and was forced against her will to invoke her rights in public. when she was forced to do that, she was entitled to say what she said. learner came before the house oversight committee on may 22 to explain what she knew and when about the irs targeting conservative groups. she spoke for two minutes and 40 seconds at the end, invoking her fifth amendment rights. but not taking any questions from lawmakers. that infuri
saying that irs official lois lerner waived her right to remain silent. ms. lerner was in charge of the irs tax exempt organization office and is now on administrative leave. >> the committee will come to order. the committee meets today to consider a resolution to determine whether lois lerner waived her fifth amendment privilege against self- incrimination when she made a voluntary opening statement during the committee's hearing that began on may 22, 2013. the clerk will designate the resolution. >> the resolution on the committee on oversight and government reform. >> without objection, the resolution will be considered as read and open for a minute at any point. the text has been distributed. i now recognize myself for an opening statement. we are here today to resolve something the united states has. did lois lerner waived her fifth amendment privilege against self-incrimination during the committee hearing that began may 22, 2013? during the hearing that began on may 22, more than five weeks ago, i tried to be exceedingly cautious. i did not make a quick or uninformed deci
republicans now paving the way to force top irs officials lois lerner to answer questions about the political targeting scandal rocking the agency. hello, everyone. welcome to brand-new hour. >> good to see you. let's get straight to it. she has been clinging to fifth amendment right to stay silent. remember that? now she could very easily be called back to the capitol hill and have to testify any time. the house oversight and reform committee perform ad resolution that declared lerner waived that fifth amendment at a hearing last month. she delivered a statement proclaiming her innocence. republican lawmakers calling her out. >> yes, she has a fifth amendment right to remain silent. she sat there and could have said nothing. we had a witness this week who did that. we had a witness this week who said nothing. she didn't. she made nine separate factual assertions and then she authenticated a document. if that is not waiver, if that is not express waiver, this is implied waiver. if it is not, then what is? >> hi, molly. >> hi. lois lerner's attorney, william taylor is pushing back. saying that
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official lois lerner waived her fifth amendment rights at a hearing in may. immigration policy in the house. later, rand paul campaigns in south carolina. >> the house oversight committee today voted along party lines to pass a resolution saying that irs official lois lerner waived her right to remain silent. ms. lerner was in charge of the irs tax exempt organization office and is now on administrative leave. >> the committee will come to order. the committee meets today to consider a resolution to determine whether lois lerner waived her fifth amendment privilege against self- incrimination when she made a voluntary opening statement during the committee's hearing that began on may 22, 2013. the clerk will designate the resolution. >> the resolution on the committee on oversight and
-incrimination, most people assume you're guilty. irs bureaucrat lois lerner tried to get around that by proclaiming her innocence of wrongdoing, then refusing to talk at a congressional hearing. today, lawmakers investigating the taxation's targeting scandal denied that exemption. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel has our top story. >> the resolution finding lois lerner waived her fifth amendment privileges on may 22nd, 2013 is approved and we stand adjourned. >> reporter: the house oversight 22-17 vote along party lines found learner a key figure in targeting of conservative groups, waived that constitutional right by defending herself. >> i have not done anything wrong. i have not broken any laws. >> reporter: both then and now, former federal prosecutor, trey gowdy offered that she doesn't get to present her side and refuse to answer questions. >> mr. chairman, i have identified nine separate specific assertions made by lois lerner on may the 22nd, and that was after she asserted her right against privilege. >> reporter: the top democratic, elijah cummings tried to argue against the
in on our hard work. have a great weekend everybody. >> congressional leaders say irs employee lois lerner waived her fifth amendment rights and her attorney said she will not go down without a right. will she have to testify anyway? governor sarah pa lin weighs in. and we'll look at nelson mandela. we'll look at his fight to end racial discrimination and how his life parallels dr. martin luther king. and the nfl decides to punt on propoeting obama care. administration looking for high profile pitches. and the pros are not buying it. i am uma, we are live from the nation's capitol. america's news headquarters starts right now. >> and we begin with what is a dangerous heatwave that is gripping most of the western part of the nation. we are talking about triple digit temperatures and folks in death valley, california they are bracing for teches to hit 130 degrees today. that is close to a record set back 100 years ago. they are joining us live from santa monica, california where it is and cooler than death valley. dom nick? >> uma, people are taking to the ocean to coloff in santa monica bea
it can manage funds, nothing will be given. >> lois lerner directed the cincinnati office to change the words tea party to advocacy groups. do you think this was an intentional attempt to cover up targeting? >> i don't know the answer to that question. more work needs to be done to evaluate circumstances. >> i'm told you are a decent person, so are you serious about getting to the truth? >> absolutely. >> are you serious about restoring the integrity of the irs? >> i'm serious about doing it consistent with the rule of law and procedure. >> griff jenkins trying to get more answers. >> how do you expect to get public's trust back if no one is held accountable. >> i don't want to answer questions right now. just answered two or three hours back. submit a question to the irs communications office. right now it's important to get back to the irs. i have a lot of work to do. >> why you haven't spoken to lois lerner and people like gregg roseman still have a job who refused to testify yesterday. will you ask lois lerner to come and testify as you have? >> i think -- >> the public's trust
on the zimmerman trial later on. but, when we come right back, will irs official lois lerner be forced to testify about the conservative targeting scandal? we'll have the latest and, later, lawyers for trayvon martin's family now say race is not a factor in the case. it wasn't always that way. we'll have a report coming up. >> laura: in the factor follow up segment tonight, you may remember irs senior official lois lerner took the fifth amendment when she testified before congress last month about the political targeting scandal. but today the house oversight committee voted that she waived that privilege clause because she made a brief statement before invoking the fifth amendment. the resolution finding lois lerner waived her fifth amendment provision on may 22nd, 2013 is approved. >> i'm not trying to make this more difficult than it should be. it's just that i think that when he would are dealing with -- i'm very sensitive to this constitution. because i wouldn't be here if it wasn't for it. >> lois lerner is, in fact, a poster child for thumbing her nose, a federal bureau craft thumbing her
scandal. lawmakers pass as resolution and lois lerner took the fifth amendment refusing to testify before congress. but this new resolution finds that lerner forfeited her right to remain silent. i'm heather childers. >> gregg: good afternoon to you. welcome, i'm gregg jarrett. republican congressman darrell issa is chairman of the house oversight committee that lo her her may now be called back to testify yet again. >> she stated that she had not done anything wrong, not broken any laws. not violated any irs rules or regulations and not provided false information to this or any other congressional committee regarding areas about which committee members would have liked to ask her questions. indeed, committee members are still interested in hearing from her. >> gregg: molly henneberg is live in washington with the very latest. >> molly: hi, gregg. there is no official request to appear yet. her lawyer says she was entitled to say what she said. in a statement, a party line vote does not affect anyone's constitutionality right and this one doesn't affect hers. her rights are no different n
the agt's names, the letters from lois lerner. we named the complaint. those who h knowledge of or actual engagement in the unlawful acts of the irs. we have listed ten or more unknowns. until we do the discovery we're not goingo know how deep or high up it went. we're going to be amending that complaint in the next week or ten days,dding another 25 organizations and additional counts in the co some areas that we have's since learned that we're concerned about. it is a monumental undertaking. we filed a complaint that says you unlawfully targeted. normally they would say denied. how are wegoing to deny it because we attached the statements where we admitted . >> the response from lois lerner in particular, not oly an acknowledgment and admission of guilt but th an apology which compounds i would think the evidence on your behalf. it does. i mean, the fact that she made the admission and we got the inspector general's report where they acknowledge and uncover the targeting. they keep calling it targeting but targeting i a violation of the constitution. you cannot target someone based on th
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controversy now and republican led house committee voted lois lerner gave up her right to plead the 50 when the irs official gave a statement to that panel before she refused to answer questions code's vote along party lines. lawmakers could eventually vote to hold lerner in contempt of congress if she pleads the fifth again that could lead to a fine or even jail time analysts point out the sorts of punishments are pretty rare. there was that tense hearing last month soon after a watchdog agency had revealed that it targeted conservative groups for extra scrutiny. >> i have not done anything wrong i have not broken any laws. i have not violated any irs rules or regulations and i have not provided false information to this or any other congressional committee. i have decided to follow my counsel's advice amend not testify or answer any of the questions today. >> >> harris: that is what has her in the hot seat. she made a statement and then pleaded the fifth. lois lerner did not attendtoda. her attorney denies she ever waived her right to invoke the fifth amendment adding, quote: it is just
that ms. lois lerner waived in her voivity, and we are ting on the ruling of the chair. it is available format amendment. i caution never to use their five minutes. i will not limit debate. this is a markup. it is like any other markup, and i have chosen to do that so my ruling would be published and open to a vote rather than simply the procedural tapering of the chair that otherwise would happen. >> i am almost finished, thank you. on wednesday i asked every member be even the opportunity to hear directly from house counsel and pose any questions have about the legal standards and historical precedents. the chairman declined to honor my request. here's what may happen if we continue down this path. the republicans could adopt a resolution on a partisan vote. the chairman could force ms. lerner to return and director to answer questions. heard attorney will disagree with the legal basis for the resolution, and ms. lerner will continue to assert the fifth. after which the chairman could schedule a vote to hold her in content and send the entire matter to a court. after that happens, the
that irs official lois lerner waved her fifth amendment right to remain silent in the hearing on targeting conservative groups. she was in charge of the tax- exempt organizations office and is now on administrative leave. this is about one hour and 20 minutes. >> the committee will come to order. the committee meets today to consider a resolution to determine whether lois lerner waived her fifth amendment privilege against self- incrimination when she made a voluntary opening statement during the committee's hearing that began on may 22, 2013. the clerk will designate the resolution. >> the resolution on the committee on oversight and government reform. >> without objection, the resolution will be considered as read and open for a minute at anyourth amendment point. the text has been distributed. i now recognize myself for an opening statement. we are here today to resolve something the united states has. did lois lerner waived her fifth amendment privilege against self-incrimination during the committee hearing that began may 22, 2013? during the hearing that began on may 22, more than fi
the agency's targeting of group seeking tax exempt status. bill: lois lerner refusing to answer questions at a congressional hearing last month. she invoked the fifth. but some members say she waived those right when she made a statement declaring her innocence. >> i decided to follow my counsel's advice and not testify or answer any questions today. because i'm asserting my right not to testify i know some people will assume i have done something wrong. i have not. one of the basic functions of the amendment is to protect innocent individuals and that's the protection i'm invoking today. martha: many people feel right there she stepped over the line. no lois lerner in the meeting today but they are talking about her in there quite a bit. >> reporter: it's quite a legal clinic and intense in the room as lawmakers spar over this constitutional issue. trey gowdy, a former federal prosecutor is the one who objected when lois lerner tried to assert her fifth amendment right last month. he said she made 9 specific assertions including she did nothing wrong. >> having now considered the facts a
be compelled to testify in front of congress. lois lerner said she did nothing wrong and envoked the fifth amendment and refused to answer the questions in an appearance before the house oversight committee. and now the committee run by republican darril issa voted on party lines that lerner gave up her fifth amendment right in part by her opening remarks. lerner is on leave after refusing a request to quit. the debate in washington is growing about what will happen in congress's quest for answers. will lerner be ordered to testify. and what will happen if she refuses? >> lerner's attorney put out a statement after the yesterday vote and what did it say. >> william taylor didn't think much of the vote and the house oversight committee is a highly polarized forum. taylor went on to say. a party line vote doesn't affect anyone's constitutional rights and this doesn't affect miss lerner. it is no different now than when she asserted them. she did not give up her right to testify by stating her innocence. republicans disagree and said lerner made a two minute statement and did not take questio
irs official lois lerner waved her fifth amendment rights at a scandal last month. does that mean she is going to jail or what? where is the whole food cane from the treasury into the white house? i'm waiting for that. ace reporter robert kos is that will join me with that story. please stay with us. "the kudlow report." ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] if you can't stand the heat, get off the test track. get the mercedes-benz you've been burning for at the summer event, going on now at your authorized mercedes-benz dealer. hurry, before this opportunity cools off. vo: i've always thought the best part about this country is that we get to create our future. from the treasury into the white you get to take ownership of the choices you make. the person you become. i've been around long enough to recognize the people who are out there owning it. the ones getting involved and staying engaged. they're not sitting by as their life unfolds. and they're not afraid to question the path they're on. because the one question they never want to ask is "how did i end up here?" i started schwab for th
director lois lerner still receiving a paycheck after refusing to answer questions about the tea party bargaining scandal. if one lawmaker gets his way pleading the 5th could be very costly. one young women suing her school for $2 million over this facebook picture. we will explain. >> good morning. thank you for staying with us or joining us. it is 15 after the top of the hour. here's what you missed while you were sleeping. lois lerner pleaded the 5th and refused to answer questions about the irs's targeting of conservative groups. but a month later republican congressman mow brooks is proposing legislation that would fire any federal employee who doesn't answer questions at a congressional hearing after receiving immunity. the employee would be fired if lawmakers found the employee gave false testimony. nelson mandela took a turn for the worse. he is in critical condition at the hospital where he is being treated for a recurring lung infection. he has been there since june 8th. ainsley? >> thank you, heather. some senators are now predicting sweeping immigration reform will be passe
. well, this morning you remember lois lerner. >> alisyn: i do. >> tucker: from the irs. she had a very drama infused moment in front of the house of representatives. you may remember it during the hearing. there is congressman trey gowdy of south carolina. she was asked account for yourself? and she got up and gave an incredibly self-righteous belligerent statement how she had done nothing wrong and refused to say anything. >> clayton: the question is then she tried to plead the fifth. >> tucker: yeah, successfully. >> clayton: she pled it if you have come out and already talked about it and already made this entire statement then how you can possibly then pleaded fifth. trey gowdy says we need to bring her back because she violated all of this. take a listen. nine separate factual assertions including, mr. chairman i have done nothing wrong, i have blown no laws. i have provided no false information to. i have violate nod irs rules. i have violated no irs regulations. then she self-authenticate add document. all of this, mr. chairman, after she invoked her right to remain silent. yes,
doug schulman and lois lerner. and why would anybody intimidate the president? what evidence do you got? how about answering the question first. i know this is a heat-chasing show. i love heat but let's start with facts. do we have a fact of a connection? >> well, as mitch mcconnell said there's no evidence the president called over to the irs. >> let me go to the further quote. he talked about it being a coordinated campaign that led to this happening from the president. now what you saying here the president was involved in the irs mess or not? >> i think what mitch mccome is saying and let's back up on mitch. he has been a fierce advocate for the first amendment since the beginning of campaign finance reform and fought against the idea of cracking down on political parties and believes firmly in the idea we should have a political system that has a strong political party system. i do think that he believes and i tend to agree with him the president has done his best to demonize his opponents especially going after the koch brothers and all these tea party g
with lois lerner that headed tax organization, do you have to sfrart the have top and interview the people.nd what we have seen from some of the transcripts orro portions of the transcripts that have been released.ed those people on the groundsc are getting realos information, name some names and explain how the process works and who ise making the decisions. that has not been released in full but that is house what house republicans arele working on behind the scenes. that is why you have seen a lull because this is heavy duty investigative part. >> we are trying to figuree out how it started but it's clear that washington satth on a plot of these applications and to this day are still sitting on them. >> paul: dan? >> in the poll ratings, he has been at 50% his entire presidency. the american people give this presidency the benefit of the drop.e that five-point drop is a bad sign. ife- he starts falling likek that everything will start f will pull back from him including the democrats in washington.k he could be a lame duck by the end of the year. >> paul: when we come backla an icy enco
correspondent, mike emanuel, is live an capitol hill. mike, what has been the case for bringing lois lerner pack, and should we expect her to come back to the hill? >> reporter: that's a great question. the vote was 22-17, but the house oversight committee has found that lois lerner waifed her -- waived her right by making that opening statement. a former federal prosecutor found she made nine separate assertions in her opening statement. here's a sample. >> i have done nothing wrong. i have broken no laws. i have provided no false information to congress. i have violated no irs rules. i have violated irs regulations. and then, mr. chairman, she authenticated a document. all of this, mr. chairman, after she invoked her right to remain silent. >> reporter: so she remains under congressional subpoena. she could be recalled at any time, and, of course, folks at home know that lois lerner remains on the federal payroll. jenna ma? jenna: and she wasn't there today, obviously, mike, so they're having this whole conversation. we saw a little bit from trey gowdy, but any other fireworks? >> reporter: es
, the fact that lois lerner is on paid vacation. >> simple solution to all this. let's start reporting. at some point... the thus, we should be pushing this issue and doing the reporting. >> neil: we are, but i can't carry america by myself. >> that is direct line to the white house. >> neil: obviously a burden you don't want to share with me. what is going on here? >> i would only point out that you are not the only one and charlie is too busy pushing book proposals. by the way, i am filled with admiration how you are trying to sell a book on this program. >> my book july 1, circle of friends. >> correct me if i'm wrong, i can't remember which the justice department or congress is investigating this. am i winning about that? >> neil: i'm asking you to look at it. you read a lot of media. ben stein, read the coverage it got a lot more tired when there was insinuation that a liberal groups were included. then they seemed to have covered, well this isn't a hatchet job on conservatives. >> it was an attack on conservatives. this is so obvious. it's been published and employees union along
employee lois lerner waived her fifth amendment rights and her attorney said she will not go down without a right. will she have to testify anyway? governor sarah pa lin weighs in. and we'll look at nelson mandela. we'll look at his fight to end racial discrimination and how his life parallels dr. martin luther king. and the nfl decides to punt on propoeting obama care. administration looking for high profile pitches. and the pros are not buyi
it. >> the response from lois lerner in particular, no only an acowledgment and admission of guilt but then an apology which compounds i would think the evidence on your behalf. >> it does. i mean, the fact that she made the admiion and we got the inspector general's report where thcknowledge and uncover the targeting. they keep calling it targeting but targeting is a violation of the consnstitution. you cannot target someone based on their viewpoint. i have doneemultiple ces on that. i said this the other day on your broadcast. i think the irs is instionally incable of self-correcting. this afternoon the irs placed on admisttive leave two more ficials, one in charge of the obama car affordable care act enforcement. the agency in complete melt down in my ew. what needs to happ, i tnk they should scrap the whole internal revenue cord but sht of that we need justice for our clients that these unconstitutional acts op. >> you talked aut changes, damages to claims that have to be satisfied here by an agency of the federal government that under our constitution is supposed to be serving
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's excellent in doing it. he's practiced. then you get to lois lerner who takes the 5th. remember the werfel report is an internal investigation. even the i.g. report which disclosed what's going on was internal. we have heard nothing of the alleged outside investigation, the fbi is doing. apparently that's going on. the last element is to muddy the waters by pretending that the liberal groups were also scrutinized. there is a difference between being on a list, being on the look out and being scrutinized, harassed and delayed. that is the essence of the case. there is nothing on the side that would argue against absolutely improper behavior. the idea that we have no idea how it happened, how it originated and that the intent was not a malicious intent is not a credible statement. >> a couple of polls from the recere kre recent fox news poll. it has taken a dip. yes, 35% down from october. july of 2011. up from there a bit. controversy that's weakened your faith in the federal government. you see the irs tops. the nsa barely but all above the 50% mark. not surprised, judge. no, no. i'm not s
-- honestly, you know i would think that this could be all resolved, if lois lerner is fired, and rose man fired, these individual on taxpayer funded vacations -- i mean administrative live. let's just abolish the irs, and have states handle this and allocate it like that, that would be antic lent way to say, we're -- an excellent way to say we're sorry. >> i love, they have to be "sicko" fan tick -- i want to say, you have a lawsuit, your group filed a lawsuit against the irs, i imagine seeking some sort of financial gain as well? >> well, it is not just a lawsuit on behalf the norcal tea party, on all of the conservative groups that were targeted by the irs, this is a class-action lawsuit. that will represent all of the groups, many of the groups folded after this, many of the grrups could not do any fundraising, they lost income, and it is just too make right the wrong that the irs did. so, this is something that is being file was filed in cincinnati, it represents, the little people, the little groups, the groups that could not survive this attack by the irs. on to them, and for the ri
. will bee committee deciding how to go forward on lois lerner and her testimony when she pleads the fifth. some are things she waived her to the fifth amendment when she had somewhat of an extensive statements beyond saying i plead the fifth. how will you be voting on that today? needs tobelieve she come testify. you made my case in your first argument. you said the testimony of lois lerner. when she came and testified. she did testify. she came in to give her side of the story and said but i do not want to answer any of the questions. i think that is the part we're looking at now. we have got to get to the bottom of this. this is not something worthy american public public deserves administration officials not anng able to come to oversight committee and asking questions about an issue that is going on and to simply pleading the fifth and going off after saying, by the way, oh, i do not do anything wrong. said herrell issa, he is then after this vote going to bring her before the committee. guest: that is the issue for this morning close the committee if we go forward. so i will reserve
lois lerner, the now suspended head of the irs division for tax exempt organizations refused to answer questions about the agency's targeting of political groups. doug mckelway reports tonight from washington. doug? >> shep, this latest irs scandal involves the largest contract in irs history awarded to a company called strong castle incorporated. for new irs computers. its president raoul casteel won access to government minority contracts by claiming his business was in a disadvantaged area of washington, d.c. but he hired neighborhood students from expensive catholic university as employees. he got access to another minority contracting program by claiming he was a disabled vet. his wound? an ankle twisted during football at the u.s. military academy prep school 27 years ago. it prompted this reaction from iraq war vet and double amputee congresswoman tammy duck worth. >> i'm so glad that you would be willing to play football in prep school again to protect this great country. shame on you, mr. casteel. shame on you. >> sheparding castillo contract through the close process was greg
cover to people politically at a time when lois lerner pled the fifth amendment, where any, anybody who's gone to youtube and same the testimony of high level irs officials in front of this committee, based on what we know now, it's clear that they were, they were not being forthright and telling the whole truth with this committee. now, whether that constitutes what you would call evidence or not, if i knew that one of my top lieutenants had just pled the fifth and the other tenants had given less than the whole truth to this committee, and i saw a staff person write that sentence, if they did, i would take it out. so my first question is, did you write that sentence or did a staff member write that sentence? >> we, there's a group of people, i was one of the authors. we co-authored it amongst a group of people i'll take ownership over every sentence in this document if you limit opportunity i can respond to some of your points, but i don't want to use your time. it's up to you. >> i would love to have a lot more time than i do. but, because unless i can keep going. maybe not. but to t
-r-s official cannot use her fifth amendment rights. lois lerner defended her actions in the recent i-r-s scandal saying she did nothing wrong. the committee says that comment means she waived her right to self-incrimination making her fifth amendment protection null and void. the i-r-s is accused of unfairly screening conservative groups for tax- exempt status. the organization denies any intentional wrongdoing. the woman who police say sent ricin- laced medications? i don't know. last immunization shots? really? honey, what's my blood pressure medicine called? one time i took something and i blew up like a puffer fish. i'm probably allergic to that. at kaiser permanente, your medical information is available to you and your doctors. quickly. securely. no guesswork required. better information. better care. kaiserpermanente. thrive. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] if you can't stand the heat, get off the test track. get the mercedes-benz you've been burning for at the summer event, going on now at your authorized mercedes-benz dealer. hurry, before this opportunity cools off. don't miss s
name officials like they did of lois lerner, head of the tax exempt unit and took the fifth. that's good theater but does not get you much. they learned have you go and start at the bottom and interview the people. what we have seen from some of the transcripts that have been -- released or portions of the transcripts released, those people on the ground are beginning to give real information. name some names and explain how this process actually worked and who was making the decisions. now, that's not been released in full but that's what the house republicans are working on behind the scenes. that's why you have seen a bit of a lull is because this is a heavy duty investigation. >> okay. >> we are still trying to figure out how exactly it all started. one thing that's clear is that washington sat on a lot of the applications and to this day is still sitting on them. >> that poll rating has 50% his entire presidency. the american people give this -- historic presidency the benefit of the doubt. that five-point drop is really a bad sign for barack obama. if he starts falling like
that work within the i.r.s. too. >>steve: we haven't heard any names. we know lois lerner is on vacation right now. she doesn't have to talk to anybody. >> with internet access too, i read. >>steve: unlike the guy sitting somewhere in russia. any way, it looks as if some liberal groups were part of the screening process but ultimately they were not screened the same way as conservative groups. >>> meanwhile let's talk about edward snowden. he does appear to still be stuck in russia. this is interesting. he told apparently the south china morning post, the newspaper over there, that he took that job with booz allen, the security contractor that paid $120,000 a year, even though he had been working for the n.s.a. for $200,000 a year, he took it specifically so he would have access to the computers that would give him the lists of all the computers around the globe. it looks like he took that particular job just so that he could get the thumb drive to spill all the beans. >> would he be under additional charges if the intent -- if it wasn't just a whistle-blower that he decided oh, my gosh,
roseman and lois lerner have done so far is legal? >> they cannot be fired for refusing to answer questions put to them by their employer, whether it is somebody who runs the i.r.s. or whether it is an investigator from the congress because she's protected as an employee by the fifth amendment. >>alisyn: how do congressional investigators ever get to the bottom? >> they have to get the congress to vote her, lois lerner, or this fellow we just showed, or whoever they believe has the most information that can lead them to others that can tell them what happened, vote that person immunity. once you are voted immunity, you don't have the right to claim the fifth amendment and then you are required to answer. if you don't answer, a judge will put you in jail until you do answer. you can be fired for not answering. >>alisyn: if you give that person immunity in order to get more information, you can't prosecute that person? >> you can't prosecute that person on the basis of the information that person gives you. you can prosecute that person on any other independent evidence you generate
very much, we stand adjourned. [inaudible conversations] >> last month irs official lois lerner invoked her fifth amendment right not to testify on the irs targeting of conservative groups. members of the committee questioned the legality of that action. and tomorrow they'll vote to decide if she can be compelled to testify. we'll have live coverage of that committee meeting beginning at 9 a.m. eastern here on c-span2. >> i was also looking for things that were completely pessimistic. i think we could have won without patton. i think we could have won without lemay, perhaps, but i don't think -- you take away do midwest close who burned out athens, the greeks would have even fought or without belisarius, the emperor would not have recovered much of the western part of the byzantine/roman empire. i don't think there's a union general alive who could have taken atlanta at the cost that we took it, very small cost compared to what was going on in virginia, and i don't know anybody who could have done what matthew rimmingway -- and i wish i could say there were american generals, not very m
a chance to bring back lois lerner. do you think lois lerner will be back in front of your committee and will be forced to answer questions? >> tomorrow friday we are going to take the first steps towards getting her back and getting her to answer questions. we don't want her taking the fifth. when want her answering the questions because we need to know. the administration -- the progressive groups are self-identifying that they were hurt. it's clear this was a target of figure conservative groups done by the irs not just in cincinnati, but in washington. bill: did she waive her amendment privilege when she made a statement before your committee some week ago? >> i believe so. i believe trey gowdy's point during the hearing and the reason we recessed instead adjourn is so we could have opinions from learned appropriate people as to the law. we'll consider that friday and that's the first step toward bringing her back. bill: that would seem to suggest she'll come back. >> we believe she do. i believe after the committee properly reviewed the facts i believe we'll reach the decision s
targeting scandal. he was venting about the irs manager lois lerner before they approved a resolution that declared the irs official actually waived her fifth amendment right when she delivered the opening statement and declared her innocence and let's listen to this live. >> you are not conducting interviews and you don't know answers to the key questions and yet in your report, you declare that there is no evidence of intentional wrongdoing or misconduct on the part of irs personnel. no evidence of intentional wrongdoing? >> this report is a sham. >> to the extent that there is a notion and a concern that there is overredakz. >> this is junk. >> this is junk. >> this has no meaning. >> it might be junk or sensitive taxpayer. nooh. and that is by, chris joins me now. and chris host of power play on fox news.comlive. what do you make the resolution. we decided that she will need to come back and she did waive that right and now it is going to be open field on anything we want to ask her? >> it is going to be open field and you can tell from the congressman there that he has a lot of q
for something she claims she said and didn't say any more 20 years ago. >> just imagine if lois lerner was on the food network. she wouldn't be placed on leave, have access to the computer. the food network says you're out of here. the government is different. if you're in the government, you can do all sorts of terrible things, target people for their beliefs or content of their thoughts with regards to the tea party, because it is the government, you're safe. but a corporation, they fire her. >> do you honestly believe like eric said, do you think she stopped using it 20 years ago? or the rest of the stuff? honestly -- >> we haven't even brought up what she wanted as an ideal wedding, the plantation style wedding, which is probably the most offensive part, which was using black men, waiters. >> in white suits, black bow ties. >> every one of them holding a lantern up front. >> bob, as somebody who has a lot of experience in begging and begging and begging for forgiveness, do you think she should be forgiven. do you think this apology was sufficient? >> no, because she -- i would have
't say anymore 20 years ago? >> just imagine if lois lerner worked at the food network. she would not be placed on administrative leave and get alls the benefits and the pensions. food channel, private corporation says you're out of here. the government, it's completelyout different. if you're in the government, you can do all sorts of terrible things to other people andmen target people for their beliefs or content of their cost. reg but with the government you're safe. >> rickey bobby? >> do you believe honestly likeat eric said, where there is smoke,hone you think she just stopped using it 20 years ago? i mean, honestly -- >> we haven't even brought up what she wanted as an ideal wedding. the plantation style wedding which is probably the most offensive part which was using black men as waiters. >> in white suits and black bowers. ties. >> yeah. e >> bob, as somebody who has a lot of experience in begging begging, begging forgiveness, do you think that she should be forgiven? do you think this apology was sufficient
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